Book Distillery#9 - Theological aspects of Brexit & European Identity - with Prof. Josh Hordern
Joshua Hordern
95.16
9 December 2021
30 October 2025
TOPIC: Discussing Ch.15 of Saving Europe, 'The Europeanisation of Europe,' with a special focus on Christian responses to local, regional, national & supra-national allegiances.
GUEST: Prof Joshua Hordern is Associate Professor of Christian Ethics in the Faculty of Theology and Religion and a Governing Body Fellow of Harris Manchester College.
0:00 Opening credits
1:01 Welcome
3:05 Introduction
3:35 Overview of the episode
4:40 The theme of Europe’s sense of identity
5:40 Culture - the wider scope of Chapter 15 & T. S. Eliot
6:28 Sneak preview of the Epilogue
7:02 We can’t choose the cultural context into which we are born
8:18 Exceptionalism: mathematics and historical/political theory
9:32 The author’s perspective
9:55 The narrative of Europe looking forward
10:48 Pathos, exhaustion, sadness; Arthur’s round table
11:46 Augustine of Hippo: the empire as a vehicle of God’s kingdom
12:18 Has Europe served its purpose?
13:04 Theme of world-weariness and “groaning”
14:25 How European identity found political expression
16:00 Gregory’s case for papal supremacy
17:52 Letter to Diognetus
19:35 Have we tied the early Church too closely to the Roman Empire?
20:47 Church splits & exceptionalism
21:10 Augustine; St. Thomas in India
21:40 De-centering Western Christians
22:08 Global political theology
22:54 Europe to be rescued by the wider church
23:19 Colonial inheritance
23:47 Shifting away American evangelicalism?
24:38 British exceptionalism
25:15 External voices against exceptionalism
25:30 The Norman Anonymous; royal supremacy
26:50 Wycliffe, Huss, Cranmer; proto-political thinkers
27:52 Schuman’s awareness of Britain’s difference to the EU’s vision
28:10 Geopolitical reasons for Brexit votes
30:35 Inter-faith dialogue; Islamic and Christian political expression
32:44 T.S. Eliot and contemporary voices
33:03 Constitutionalism; global ripples of European achievements
39:26 The mobility of saints; St. Edmund in Egypt
40:00 Judging and discerning - partners in temporal common good
41:30 Prudence, practical wisdom; judging for ourselves
43:20 Aquinas: compassion and fraternal correction
43:47 “The Ways of Judgement” by O’Donavan
44:17 Engaging with the current system or working outside it?
44:50 Monasteries, Charlotte Mason, outside the systems
45:59 Organisations holding the temporal and eternal goods
47:58 Looking at Europe and politics through the eye of the Scriptures
49:44 The freedom of dissent; the influence of mediaeval universities
50:54 Summary of part 1
51:25 Francisco Suarez, et al; criticisms against westward expansion
52:35 The Second Scholastic - anti-imperialism
53:19 Speaking truth to power
53:33 British exceptionalism and how we refer to ourselves
54:37 A new humility post-Brexit?
53:54 The use of narrative; unifying propaganda
56:04 French identity; them and us; threat narrative
57:18 Praying for the place of your exile; Jewish identity
58:54 Hordern’s chapter
59:33 Identities without threat narratives
1:00:10 Hordern’s chapter - the context
1:02:08 Hordern’s theological response to Brexit
1:04:03 The Trinity and identity
1:05:27 The role of affectivity; what do people feel about their lives?
1:06:41 Weights and measures - national constructions
1:07:49 Artificial constructions can drive group identity?
1:09:10 Locality - what we do to ourselves and affection
1:11:12 Was the Euro part of Schuman’s vision?
1:11:49 The ever-closer union; feeling at home; Burke
1:13:34 Hordern’s chapter: Liberalism and conservative practice
1:16:07 Habermas; the conceptual and the practical
1:18:22 Celsus; debates between paganism and Christianity
1:20:33 Conservative does not necessarily mean Christian!
1:22:29 What are the metrics by which a conservative should judge?
1:23:24 Jewish & Christian political thought & law
1:25:35 Hordern’s theology of place and eschatology; relevance to politics
1:27:58 New heaven and new earth; created moral order
1:28:30 Our capacity to care is very localised
1:29:20 Our concern is global
1:29:58 “Local” is not ethnocentric
1:31:20 Jerusalem out to the ends of the earth
1:31:37 Thanksgiving and the practice thereof
1:31:56 “To be creaturely is to be in a place” - Hordern
1:32:32 The catholic (universal) church and its mission
1:32:40 Enlarging our hearts
SAVING EUROPE BOOK
UK AMAZON - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Saving-Europe-Tale-Twilight-Europa/
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
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