You Tube Theology

In this bonus episode, we interview Dr. David VanDrunen. We consider his reply on several points to Pastor Taylor Drummond's critical article that we discuss in episode 17. The title of that article is "Fool's Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen's account of state legitimacy" and it examines particular arguments in David VanDrunen's book Politics After Christendom . VanDrunen expresses his appreciation for Drummond's article and our episode discussing it, raises questions concerning immoral complicity if the state is taken to be illegitimate, offers some clarification about his (up to this point) not having differentiated monopoly states from non-monopolistic civil governance in his writing, raises questions concerning what sort of consent is normative for the customary legal order's own legitimacy and its authorizing function, raises the question of when abuse or injustice might categorically disqualify one from rightfully possessing authoritative office and its relation to political resistance, and, at the end, responds to our proposal how a fuller, non-aggressionist view of proportionality in the lex talionis of the Noahic Covenant entails a conclusive argument in favor of the exclusively "protectionist" purpose of civil governance law. https://reformedlibertarians.com/bonusC Main Points of Discussion 00:00 Introduction 00:09 Episode description 02:15 Prefatory statements 05:37 The question of immoral complicity 16:30 Clarifying matters of complicity 21:13 The question of civil governance vs. monopoly state 27:55 Distinguishing normativity from de facto (non-)conformity to norms 31:00 The question of legitimizing consent 35:56 Distinguishing compliance under duress (by aggression) 40:45 The question of abuse/tyranny and de-legitimization 45:20 The question of a conclusive protectionist-only view 49:32 Remaining uncertainty about Scriptural "regulative principle" of civil governance 52:29 Closing remarks Additional Resources About David VanDrunen https://www.wscal.edu/faculty-member/david-vandrunen/ author page at Mongerism https://www.monergism.com/authorsspeakers/david-vandrunen bib at ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/David-VanDrunen-2115184386 Episode 17: David VanDrunen's View Of Civil Government, with Taylor Drummond https://reformedlibertarians.com/017 "Fool's Gold?: A libertarian analysis of VanDrunen's account of state legitimacy," by Taylor Drummond https://libertarianchristians.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/CLR-5-Drummond.pdf Politics After Christendom by David VanDrunen https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310108845/ "The Protectionist Purpose of Law: A Moral Case from the Biblical Covenant with Noah" by David VanDrunen https://www.pdcnet.org/jsce/content/jsce_2015_0035_0002_0101_0117 Episode 2: What Does Romans 13 Say About Civil Government? https://reformedlibertarians.com/002 Episode 8: The Boetie Option - the peaceful underthrow of the state https://reformedlibertarians.com/008 Episode 14: Does Political Representation Make Sense?, with Gerard Casey https://reformedlibertarians.com/014 Episode 15: Can Christian Civil Government Be Theocratic? https://reformedlibertarians.com/015 Episode 18: Politics And The Church's Mission: What Should The Church Teach About Civil Government? https://reformedlibertarians.com/018 Audio of Answering 10 Objections to Libertarian Anarchism by Roderick Long https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsUjJ7TOhgk&list=PLwrDNUO5MDu8WYU5oB7l037lvAEjSoPBr&index=13 The Reformed Libertarians Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute: https://libertarianchristians.com/ and a member of the Christians for Liberty Network: https://christiansforliberty.net Audio Production by Podsworth Media - https://podsworth.com