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What does it mean for the church to embody new creation in a divided world?

In this special episode of the Seattle Pastors & Leaders Podcast, N.T. Wright joins Steve Bury, Chris Thurton, and Eunice Do for a wide-ranging conversation following a gathering of nearly 700 pastors and leaders in Seattle.

Together they explore:
• Unity and holiness in the church
• Interfaith relationships and bridge-building
• Christian nationalism and cultural hierarchy
• Slavery in the New Testament and how to read difficult texts
• Intellectual honesty, humility, and the authority of Scripture
• The church as a “small working model” of new creation
• Why dualism has harmed the Western church
• What heaven-on-earth should feel like for the next generation

Wright challenges the church to reject fear-based faith, resist political idolatry, and recover a robust, embodied vision of the gospel — one that brings heaven and earth together in Christ (Ephesians 1:10).

This is an honest, thoughtful, and deeply pastoral conversation for anyone wrestling with faith, culture, power, and the future of the church in America.

🎙 Featuring:
N.T. Wright
Steve Bury (Urban Impact)
Chris Thurton (Bethany Community Church)
Eunice Do (The Table)

If this conversation encourages you, share it with a pastor, leader, or friend who cares about the renewal of the church.