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The James Alison Forum held on 27 September 2023 in St Aloysius' Great Hall, Kirribilli, attracted an audience that was thoughtful and perceptive. Geraldine Doogue facilitated a conversation lead by James Alison and assisted by Finn Stannard on What does radical inclusion really mean for a modern synodal Church? The word of the night was "talkability". If an idea has talkability the issue can be explored, discussed, perhaps understood, perhaps normalised. It is only in recent times that same-sex orientation has begun to be talked about in an open way. Relationality, James suggested, maybe a better way of understanding human behaviour than rationality.